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Corinthian
04-11-2009, 06:49 PM
This is some bat crazy ****. Just how are the shepherds supposed to manage hundreds of sheep?



New Zealand shepherds stop using dogs as stresses lambs
For centuries shepherds have herded their flock with the help of their expert sheep dogs. But one man and his dog has been replaced by one man and his stick, after Tesco claimed shepherds' faithful canine companions "stressed" the sheep.

By Harry Wallop and Matthew Moore
Last Updated: 12:24PM BST 05 Apr 2009
Tesco has told farmers, who supply the supermarket giant with lamb, to stop using the dogs unless they can be retrained to be "more considerate" towards the flock.
The shepherds have reacted with outrage, and claimed up to 60 dogs have now joined the ranks of the unemployed.

Welfare experts expressed bafflement that the centuries-old tradition of moving sheep around with the use of a scurrying, yapping dog could upset the sheep.

However, Tesco was adamant that one of its largest suppliers in New Zealand, Silver Fern Farms in Fairton, should stop using dogs to herd sheep into the abattoir.

Unlike in Britain, most abattoirs are attached to farms in New Zealand, ensuring the farm does not need to truck its flock down the motorway to a slaughterhouse.

The supermarket wants the shepherds to wave their arms, beat sticks or wave flags, to move the sheep into the abattoir.

The surprise order from Tesco, which comes into force next week, came to light thanks to a letter sent to the Daily Telegraph by an upset reader.
Mick Petheram, one of the shepherds, said: "New Zealand sheep are used to dogs, they know dogs. There's more stress in a human herding and manhandling them, waving their arms and beating sticks. Dogs are part of a sheep's life. This is absolute baloney."

He said that he and his fellow workers would have to sell their dogs, or worse, put them down. "We'll be desperately trying to sell them, but most of us will end up putting down three or four each. These are bloody good dogs. Taking away our dogs is like taking a hammer away from a builder; we can't do our job without them," he said.

New Zealand is the biggest source of lamb in Britain at this time of year, and it is understood that the Silver Fern Farms is one of Tesco's biggest suppliers.

It was visited by Tesco buyers earlier this year, who were "upset" at seeing the dogs "running riot", according to a spokesman for the supermarket.
The National Farmers' Union said that it was not aware of any research indicating that farm animals suffered stress because of sheepdogs.
"Sheepdogs are trained specifically to herd sheep and in some cases cattle and we have heard no problems about them being harmful to the animals," a spokesman said.

Tesco stood by its decision. "We don't have a problem with sheep dogs, but we need to make sure they move the sheep in a considerate manner, so they don't stress the sheep out," said a spokesman.
Scientists have found some evidence that if animals that are "stressed" immediately before slaughter the pH level of the meat increases, creating a pale, watery cut.

Leading animal welfare charity the RSPCA said it had concerns about the anxiety suffered by sheep as they are circled and pursued by dogs, but did not believe a ban was necessary.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/farming/5100025/New-Zealand-shepherds-stop-using-dogs-as-stresses-lambs.html

Shara
04-11-2009, 08:41 PM
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Ya....speechlesss....

Whats next...dont use horses for gathering cows because it makes the horse work....or "scares" the cows....


Seriously...What IS next...

:mad: :mad: :mad:

If thier complaint is the animal stressed before slaughter (which is true...) then the complaint should be aimed at the treatment of the animal before slaughter...I doubt a dog is barking and trying to herd the animal right as a butcher does his job...Give me a break!

Jr_K9_Expert
04-11-2009, 09:22 PM
Why not teach a dog to ask the sheep politely to move a certain way? :rolleyes:.... really what do these people want next? Golden watering bowls for the sheep too? Goodness gracious these people need a life, and stop picking on traditions that have been used for centuries...

Monsterpuppy
04-11-2009, 10:16 PM
I'm confused. Is the issue that they don't want the sheep herded into the slaughter barn by dogs? Sounds stupid and pointless, but whatever. Why would that unemploy so many dogs? The sheep still have to be managed the rest of the their lives, probably using dogs, except for The Day. On The Day, fine, throw the dogs in a kennel, hire up a bunch of louts to "shoo" them into the slaughter pen and up the insurance costs to compensate for the injuries to people. It's unfortunate and idiotic that people will inevitably by injured by stampeding animals and the sheep will inevitably be stressed even more than they would by dogs, but it's one day in the handling of the flock. Just bill back the buyer the extra labor costs.

As for training the dogs to be more "considerate" to the sheep, well isn't a good herding dog less forceful with spooky sheep and more aggressive with stubborn ones? As for the yappy comment, most border collies don't bark when working.

PudelGrl
04-11-2009, 10:18 PM
Seriously, the people who decided this have probably never handled sheep or livestock.

Dogs are integral to working with sheep, flocks can seriously be a major handful. I find sheep tend to be much more calm with dogs, because it helps keep each animal accounted for and in a group. Generally, so long as sheep are kept in a group of decent size they will be quite content. The best way to stress out a sheep is to lose it or let it stray too far from the group, which a well-trained sheepdog can easily prevent.

Labman
04-12-2009, 01:10 AM
Did this whole thing come out 11 days ago?