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tke754

11-02-2007, 12:28 PM

I am new to this so forgive me if I post this in the wrong spot. I also posted my problem in the new member area.
Well my dogs bark at just about everyone and everything in our neighborhood. I know they are not the best trained but they are sweet dogs. It is a FENCE THING.
There is this girl who walks her dog every morning around 5:30 am and she uses our dogs as her training "tool". The dogs are now accustomed to waking up at this time just waiting for this girl to walk her dog. But this is not what upsets me. The fact that she jogs around the block is fine but then when she gets a few houses from our house she starts walking and when she gets to our yard she stops and begins to train her dog. Making him sit and "obey" etc. She feeds him treats at this time. In the meantime our dogs are running along the fence going ballistic. There is no grass left so we put down a gravel walkway. But before this if it was a rainy day....well we would be having mudd pies for dinner. :eek:
Now we just have pebbles everywhere but that's oh well. Better than giving the dogs a bath everytime they go outside.
The point I'm trying to make is that I think this is rude especially at 5 in the morning. Once our dog busted through the fence and got out, she came and rang the doorbell and in a rude voice said "your dog got out". She never even tried to help us get our loose dog. Hellooo maybe you got my dog so rowled up that he busted through the fence. :rolleyes: All my dog wants to do is play
Now all the dogs on this corner of our street know when she is coming before she even arrives. All the dogs are barking causing complete commotion. The dogs behind us are barking running and peeing all at the same time so they can get to the edge of the fence where she is standing "training" her dog.
Like I said my dogs are not the best behaved when it comes to barking...but cant this girl get a clue that she is waking everyone up in the neighborhood so that she can train her dog. Not everyone gets up at 5 in the morning.
This girl lives 2 streets over so why cant she train her dogs using somebody else's dogs on her street? :rolleyes:
On Halloween she left candy outside on her porch & wrote a note to the kids to take a few pieces. As I looked back at the door before we started to leave she has a sign saying "THE GOLDEN RULE" DO NOT LOOK DIRECTLY INTO THE DOGS EYES. IGNORE THE DOGS. DO NOT PET THE DOGS ETC ETC. A whole list of things. Whats up with this????? This is WEIRD.:eek:
I don't think I'm being unreasonable, I just need some suggestions. thanks.

LabMomHouston

11-02-2007, 01:09 PM

I would get together with my neighbors who have dogs doing the same thing or do not appreciate the early morning wake up and meet her outside at 5 am. Explain she is not welcomed to train her dog there and wake up the entire neighborhood. If that doesn't work, I would put a sign on the outside of my fence saying "Hey look at this weirdo waking up the entire neighborhood."....What a rude person.

tke754

11-02-2007, 01:19 PM

:p That is so funny....I really should try this...:D
I would get together with my neighbors who have dogs doing the same thing or do not appreciate the early morning wake up and meet her outside at 5 am. Explain she is not welcomed to train her dog there and wake up the entire neighborhood. If that doesn't work, I would put a sign on the outside of my fence saying "Hey look at this weirdo waking up the entire neighborhood."....What a rude person.

LabMomHouston

11-02-2007, 01:55 PM

Yeah...if it doesn't work atleast you might get a good laugh about it. I think though your neighbors don't appreciate it either. So they may be very willing to meet her at 5 am just to get it to stop. You always sprinkle Critter Away on the sidewalk to make certain her dog won't want to stay there. I just cannot believe how rude people are.

tke754

11-02-2007, 02:02 PM

Thank you, now I don't feel as if it is just my problem.
hmmm...did you say critter away. I may just have to try that:eek:
Know of any other remedies????:D
Yeah...if it doesn't work atleast you might get a good laugh about it. I think though your neighbors don't appreciate it either. So they may be very willing to meet her at 5 am just to get it to stop. You always sprinkle Critter Away on the sidewalk to make certain her dog won't want to stay there. I just cannot believe how rude people are.

LabMomHouston

11-02-2007, 02:05 PM

Yeah its designed for dogs, cats, rodents...it has a terrible taste and smell that deters those animals frome entering your yard. I got it at Lowes.

LoveMyLabs

11-02-2007, 03:24 PM

I already posted my thoughts on your intro in the new member area.

Sounds like this woman sucks.

Corinthian

12-02-2007, 09:31 AM

She's the trainer from heaven and you are the owner from hell. I cannot control the idiot me an my dogs will met along the way, the one thing I know I can do is control and train my dogs to respond to me under any situation. This is what this lady is doing

Frankly it is too bad that most people are not a diligent about training as the woman seems to be, all dogs would be a lot better off. Instead of blaming this woman, you should take some responsibility and a cue from her and start training your dog to ignore her dog

She was also far more responsible that other people I've met with dogs. By leaving a note so children know what to do around dogs she does them a great service.

Maybe you should stop whining about her training and start doing some training of your own.

molliesmum

12-02-2007, 11:47 AM

megzirra

12-02-2007, 02:21 PM

molliesmum

12-02-2007, 02:22 PM

tke754. I would try to speak to the lady involved. Maybe she works early hours and doesn't think see is doing any harm. If she carries on doing it, report her to the authourities. In this country, you can be fined for noise pollution between certain hours.
Hope this is useful. :rolleyes:

Corinthian

12-02-2007, 04:59 PM

Corinthian, do you have to be so agressive and rude in your posts. I feel that you do this to wind people up. Before you say "I am entitle to my opinion", you are right, you are. But calling people names is not a good way of doing it. This is not the first post I have felt uncomfortable reading, that you have posted. 'Whining owner from hell'. Who do you think you are!!!!!:mad:

Who do you think YOU are!? It does not take much effort to teach your dogs to stop barking on command and to ignore other dogs. Why the heck should this poster have the right to refer to some diligent person as the trainer from hell without expecting someone to think the same about them.

As to the other post; you forget that the noise is coming from the complainant's dogs. The trainer's dogs are behaving the way you want all good dogs to behave.

The fact is that you can't control other dogs and owners, so the only thing you can do is control how you and your dogs will respond. Her dogs respond in an unruly and undisciplined manner, while the trainer's dogs are quiet and respectful. So really, who is the owner from hell?

J. Hall

12-02-2007, 05:04 PM

hey hey hey ! what is this? its sunday!:o :p You have reached the end of the internet now turn off your computer and go outside.:D

J. Hall

12-02-2007, 05:05 PM

Im gonna go play fetch with my dog!:p

harleys_mom

12-02-2007, 05:11 PM

I agree with J. Hall. Let's all go play with our dogs that we all love so much!!!
First though, in my opionion of course, it's not that the lady is training her dog, or that, from what I understand, ALL of the dogs are barking at them, it's the time of morning that it is going on. And, why does she need to stop in front of a house with dogs anyway? I personally like for my dogs to let me know when someone is outside. Of course, you can't see the road from my house.
Going to play now!!!:)

molliesmum

12-02-2007, 05:46 PM

I have taken my ball in, I don't want play. :p LOL. Calming oils,calming oils.

k9mania

12-03-2007, 08:50 AM

There are two things going on in this situation and people have pointed them out. First, the time of day that this woman exhibits this behavior in front of the neighbors' houses and dogs. Second, most of the people in the neighborhood don't have control of their dogs barking at things going by. There are different solutions to each problem and if you read all the posts they are there. My dogs go crazy over balls that bounce on the other side of the fence. When that happens I bring them in until they calm down and I can put them out and they will be better. There are solutions but first we need to identify all the problems. The barking dogs and the hour at which the lady trains.

LoveMyLabs

12-03-2007, 02:19 PM

The training lady needs to stop coming by in the early a.m. hours and quit stopping in front of people's houses that she doesn't know to "train" her dogs. It doesn't matter who had the better dogs. It matters that this woman is bugging the crap out of the OP's dogs for no good reason. If she needs her dogs to train around other dogs go to an obedience or socialization class, not some strangers house.

ChillisMom

12-03-2007, 05:56 PM

It does not take much effort to teach your dogs to stop barking on command and to ignore other dogs.

I agree with that.

buggis

12-05-2007, 12:22 AM

Personally, I think the lady sounds a little wacko. When Bear and I happen to walk by someone house who has a dog, I work on keeping his attention and practice our training techniques. But, I would never purposely walk over to someone's fence and train my dog there! And at 5:00 in the morning! Instead, I keep Bear active and socialized with other dogs in playgroups, obedience classes, and trips to Petco -- places where we are welcome.

johnanddoggies

12-05-2007, 12:38 AM

I know waking up at 5am sucks but some time when she is doing her training see if you can catch her and ask if you can set your dogs up for a play date this way the dogs can soclize together and may stop barking at her if they are familar with her dog if she says no ask her politely not to train her dogs in front of your fence. I have found kindness and reason gets the best results:D

networkengineer

12-10-2007, 07:11 PM

Hi all,

Well, in all fairness, I tend to side with Corinthian on this, IMVHO, s/he's on the right track. No offence intended.

What this person is doing is referred to as proofing and sometimes reinforcing. Other terms are also used for these action but refers to adding levels of distraction in the training process and IMVHO are *very* important. These distractions need to be and are done in differing circumstances, so much so that the dog obeys irrespective of the environment.

Again, in all fairness, a certain amount of proofing / reinforcement can be done under simulated circumstances, but simulated circumstances have major limitations and real life environments are necessary.

In all fairness, the original poster could start working on training her dog on recall. It is not a tough exercise. As such (IMVHO), not only does it seem that the person is *not* on private grounds(?) but on public pass area and thus does have the right to stop along the way. Her dogs are not barking and being a nuisance, but the original posters dogs are.

Kind regards.

Lindsey

12-19-2007, 04:59 PM

Anyway, who's to say some people don't want their dogs to bark at people standing directly outside your fence!! Many dogs do this to warn their owners about what's going on outside.

My dog is now really well trained (after lots of classes!) around other dogs and happily ignores them on walks however if they were messing around outside our gate he'd definitely bark at them and I would want him to, just as I'm happy for him to bark if someone knocks on the front door. Dogs are a protection as well as a companion in many cases.

If the lady wants to teach her dogs to ignore other dogs she should go to obedience classes like the the rest of us or go to a park where there are lots of other dogs around.

networkengineer

12-28-2007, 10:35 AM

Hi!

Hmmm, at this point, I must say, do refer back to my previous post. A lot of people, including the flower-hatted aunties at the dog-clubs (please, no offence intended), have no inkling about training dogs apart from the casual sit, come, etc. Sure enough, I do not doubt the fact at all, that they are dog-lovers, they love their canine friends with all their hearts. Quote: Your canine friend can love you but that is not the same as it respecting you. One needs to understand canine pack structure, psyche and behaviour before one can comment reasonably well on these topics.

Again, as I said in my post, "distractions need to be and are done in differing circumstances, so much so that the dog obeys irrespective of the environment." That is precisely why patrol dogs, i.e. dogs used for patrol services and other service dogs are familiarised with as many possible environments as possible. Imagine the horror if a service dog for the visually handicapped were to guide perfectly in a familiar environment and then amok in the street. In the above post, e.g. the training park becomes one area of familiarity to the dog.

As I read on one of the best websites for training dogs: To get advice on training dogs, one can easily ask their neighbour, grocer, barber or the plumber, all of which will give you "expert advice". For correct advice, refer to a well-trained police trainer or then catch up with one of the schutzhund trainers with experience.

Sorry, but the trainer mentioned in the original post is on the right track.

snazyminis

12-28-2007, 04:23 PM

Why have the dogs outside overnight if you can;t keep them from waking up the neighbourhood?

Lindsey

01-02-2008, 02:57 PM

"A lot of people, including the flower-hatted aunties at the dog-clubs (please, no offence intended), have no inkling about training dogs apart from the casual sit, come, etc."

Dear Networkengineer, I haven't taken offence at the above but I must say you obviously haven't been to a training class like mine if you believe the above is true. We go out and about all over the place, not just in a controlled environment but out and about so that we encounter other dogs/people/animals etc all the time. Like I said, my dog will now happily walk past other dogs regardless of how much they are barking etc without batting an eyelid, he will go through fields of sheep or horses and completely ignore them - a person messing about outside my front gates however, he would definitely bark at.

Just out of interest, are you saying though that if my dogs run and bark at someone hanging around outside my gates that it means they don't respect their order in my 'pack??' I really don't intend to cause any arguments or anything I just don't understand why a dog protecting its environment is a bad thing?? If I shout my dog to leave it then he will but until I do he would continue to make sure I was aware there was somebody there.

Honestly I'm not being funny just want to know if people feel that my dogs need training to ignore anything and everything!?

Danielle

01-08-2008, 12:18 AM

Oh my goodness, at the end of the day, no, she isnt breaking any laws, she is on public property, but.....obviously she knows that at this particular house the dogs will bark, thats why she slows down to a walk. She is doing this deliberately.

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO BEING POLITE????

She doesnt seem to give a hoot that she is waking up a whole neighbourhood.

I resent what you wrote Corinthian, you are rude. She is not the "owner from hell", if she doesnt want to train her dogs not to bark then so be it, not all ppl are obsessed with having the best trained dog. LMAO

Fair enough its her dogs that are barking, but i think the whole point is the fact that this rude woman is doing this at 5am and deliberately riling these dogs up.

If it were me who owned this house, Id put a tonne of dog crap out the front and hopefully she would avoid this house!

I would never ever train my dogs NOT to bark, my Smithfield alerted me to a burgler once who had managed to rip off my screens and was halfway thru my window, if she hadnt barked, i dont know what this man wouldve done to me considering i was alone in the house.

At the end of the day, this woman is rude, maybe she deserves some payback, Id go and walk my dogs past her house at 2am and stir her mutts up.

Danni.

Corinthian

01-08-2008, 06:56 AM

She doesnt seem to give a hoot that she is waking up a whole neighbourhood.

No she doesn't hoot. If she did, she would train her dogs to be quiet on command.

I resent what you wrote Corinthian, you are rude. She is not the "owner from hell", if she doesnt want to train her dogs not to bark then so be it, not all ppl are obsessed with having the best trained dog. LMAO

Not rude, Danielle. You are having a knee jerk emotional reaction to an uncomfortable truth. I was just stating the facts from the trainers perspective. If she doesn't want to train her dogs, they she should lock them up where they can't wake up the neighborhood. I meet many people not concerned about training their dogs, we see them in shelters, they lunge at any person or dog that passes by, they bark all day when left alone.

She could at least train her dogs to the minimum requirements to fit into society. A good dog only has to be taught
1) no aggression towards animals/people
2) defecate/urinate in acceptable areas
3) Come when called
4) Stay where told
5) Be silent on command.
This is not a highly trained animal,

And while this diligent trainer may not be violation any rules, the owner may be violating noise laws.

Fair enough its her dogs that are barking, but i think the whole point is the fact that this rude woman is doing this at 5am and deliberately riling these dogs up.

Maybe this woman works at 6 am, and this is the only time she has to train and walk her dogs until she returns from work. I wonder how often you wake up early in the morning to walk your dogs, it sounds like you just leave them without any training, exercise or mental stimulation.

If it were me who owned this house, Id put a tonne of dog crap out the front and hopefully she would avoid this house!
As long as you don't put it on the street, but it sounds like you are a horribly vindictive, passive aggressive person.

I would never ever train my dogs NOT to bark, my Smithfield alerted me to a burgler once who had managed to rip off my screens and was halfway thru my window, if she hadnt barked, i dont know what this man wouldve done to me considering i was alone in the house.
Good for him. All dogs should bark and alert. And all owners should learn to teach their dogs to stop barking when commanded.

At the end of the day, this woman is rude, maybe she deserves some payback, Id go and walk my dogs past her house at 2am and stir her mutts up.
Sounds like they would bark, she would command them to be quiet and you'd end up a bitter at the ineffectiveness of you petty revenge plot.

Danielle

01-08-2008, 10:54 AM

LMAO That one gave me a huge laugh!
Talk about personal insults eh???

Hmmm, first of all, you didnt read my post correctly, if you had, you wouldve realised the person not giving a "hoot" is the girl training her dog, not the home owner.LOL

And so what if she starts work at 6am? (not that youd know anyway)
Its beside the point, she is stirring trouble in this neighbourhood at 5am. If it were 6am, fine then, but 5am??? Thats pushing it a bit far in my book.

Oh yes, in fact i do leave my dogs without any training, excercise or mental stimulation! Its my favourite passtime! LMAO

BTW, im a "Horribly Vindictive Passive Agressive Person!" How do you know me sooooo well???
LMAO

Cheers Corinthian, you just made my day!

Lindsey

01-08-2008, 08:41 PM

Yep Danielle I agree, Corininthian is missing the point entirely.

Like I said, my dogs would both bark at idiots hanging around outside my gate and DO as I said previously stop barking on my command.

If this is at 5.00 am in the morning however, in order to give my 'command' I would have to first wake up at the sound, then grab some clothes to leg it down the stairs before managing to unlock the door to tell my dogs to be quiet and YES at this point they would be quiet but I and my neighbours would at this point be pretty annoyed that they had had a good 10 minutes of loud barking!!!

Honestly Corninthian you need to show a bit of empathy for the poor lady who points out WHICH IT IS that it is entirely out of order for someone to be hanging around outside your property in the early hours of the morning WHATEVER THE REASON!!

I do rather pity yours dogs who I'm sure will cower in fright if they accidently trump in your presence as I'm sure this to you would constitute a terribly trained dog!!

Sorry for the last bit, it is a tad petty but you do like to fling the insults yourself so you'll probably like it!!

Corinthian

01-08-2008, 09:12 PM

Hmmm, first of all, you didnt read my post correctly, if you had, you wouldve realised the person not giving a "hoot" is the girl training her dog, not the home owner.LOL
I did get it, but it was wrong so I reinterpreted your meaning so it would express the correct idea.

Its beside the point, she is stirring trouble in this neighbourhood at 5am.
She is not stirring up problems, it is the incessant barking of these untrained dogs that is the problem. The trainer's dogs are quiet, it is the owner from hell and her dogs that are the problem.

If it were 6am, fine then, but 5am??? Thats pushing it a bit far in my book.
Who do you think you are what is too early for a person to walk or train their dogs?

BTW, im a "Horribly Vindictive Passive Agressive Person!" How do you know me sooooo well???
Your fecal attempt at revenge was all that I needed to know to make my assessment.

Lindsey

01-08-2008, 09:20 PM

Agggghhh haaaa haaaaa fecal attempts at revenge - COOL!!! HA HA HAAAA

I think Corinthian that inside that hard exterior you are a comedian waiting to get out.

Ohh man that was funny xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Corinthian

01-08-2008, 09:21 PM

it is entirely out of order for someone to be hanging around outside your property in the early hours of the morning WHATEVER THE REASON!!

The trainer is on public property. So she is fully within her rights to train at the location of her choosing. If the complainers dogs would stop barking then I suspect she would move over and train over at the next distraction

I do rather pity yours dogs who I'm sure will cower in fright if they accidently trump in your presence as I'm sure this to you would constitute a terribly trained dog!!
Then you an inattentive reader. I have already said that my dogs are trained without force and I consider any of their misbehaviors to be my problem and not theirs. It is my indication that they need more work.

Unlike you I take responsibility for my dog's behavior and I don't blame it on others. I know that trying to control the behaviour of the world is very difficult so I focus on teaching my dogs to behave correctly whether they meet lunging dogs, drunks, children that run towards them or any other problem they may encounter.

Danielle

01-09-2008, 04:37 AM

OMG, youd better be careful mommieofmany, you may get assessed and get the thumbs down! LMAO!

Danielle

01-09-2008, 08:29 AM

Corinthian, you have asked for everything you got with this thread, obviously ppl dont like to be picked at by some sad old prat trying to make out that they are "THE DOG WHISPERER"!

You seem to have a need to always be right. That in itself questions your mental status, so before you start psychologically assessing me and others on here, take a long hard look at yourself and question why you are blatantly rude to some poor girl who just decided to put up a post.

Have you ever tried being kind to others? If not, try it, it may be a nice refreshing change from being so bitter.

jrheitm

01-09-2008, 09:00 AM

:p That is so funny....I really should try this...:D

hahahaha :p :D

J. Hall

01-09-2008, 08:33 PM

Ha Ha ha ha lol didnt this same thread get out of hand before? Wouzers its a little funny but not really you two just stop I know personally K9 will step in and start erasing stuff. Just lets leave it. I know I dont have room to talk but its really not going anywhere. You all can take your aggresion out on me if you want. Its ok im fond of it happening:o

Danielle

01-09-2008, 08:40 PM

Yeah, Ill stop, its pointless to argue, Id rather talk to my friends on here than to waste my time so this is me walkin away from this one.

Lindsey

01-09-2008, 09:29 PM

And I'm walking away with you Danielle honey ..... ha! x

k9mania

01-10-2008, 05:47 AM

J. Hall are right you are I did take some of the posts off. People left the point of the original post and starting to attack the other posters when you disagree. remember to agree to disagree and keep it to the point. There is a problem with the time the lady comes by. However, we all have a responsibility to make sure our dogs aren't bothering the neighbors too. There is a fine line here. How many of you bring your dogs in when you cannot get them to stop? Networkengineer does have a point about proofing in the real world. Most classes that I have seen do not do the real world stuff. I would speak to the woman and ask that she not come by or let you know what mornings and bring the dogs in. There is some truth as to responsibility in most of the posts but the attacks on each other because you differ on whose responsibility is not productive. Both the lady consistently coming at 5:00 am and the owners of the dogs have responsibility to respect the neighbors. I also would never not want my dogs to bark when there was an intruder but there are definitely times when they should be under control. As Chillismom said, it can be done and if consistent it does not take that much. As much as she is using the neighborhood to proof her dog's behavior, tke754 should talk to her and if she can do her proofing later in the day. Tke754 can proof her dogs:)