Yet another Noob !!!

[unseensha]

Hello All, noob to this site.

Was looking for information regarding my 6 month Red Cloud Kelpie,I have had him since 5 months(saved him from the big sleep by the rangers from a pound).

My issue was/is training him now I have broken legs from a motorcycle accident I didnt cause.

ANy ideas how to stop him barking at the aeroplanes over head and the dog next door ?

There are other isssues but I wont put them here..

I was contemplateing rehomeing him as its going to be months before I can walk him again

[k9mania]

Sorry to hear about your accident. Do you want to keep him? You could pay someone to walk or play ball with him that would help. Those dogs need exercise to keep them centered. The more exercise they get typically the less behavioral problems you will have. If someone if the area did clicker training they could teach you so that everytime the dog does not bark at the aeroplane overhead you reward. The more times you can reward them for the behavior you want instead of nagging at behavior you don't want the better off you will be.:) Take care of yourself.

[unseensha]

Thank you and apologies fro taking so long to get back here. Whilst recovering my PC died and as you can appreciate it was low priority. HAd issues with Mortgage ect sll fixed now though (Phew)

We Kept Bandit and I paid for a company called Bark Busters to help my wife to control the little whirlwind but unfortunately they only helped in a small way.

I have been taking him out the the beach and Park using a Lunge Lead so he can walk and have a bit of freedom with me still being in control.One of the beaches I an able to let him off totally and let him have a run. Usually he comes back to us Yesterday he didnt and I had the kids following him and they eventually had him tethered again

Still looking for ways to get him to be more obiedient .He is a good dog friendly but so strong willed and some other owners seem to be afraid of him and think his barking and want to pull on alead to get to others beasts a sign of aggression. The Barking at home has calmed somewhat.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n311/Scorpious31/Bandit.jpg

[dobetaztic]

welcome to the site, soundsl like you have had it pretty rough i go with k9 and suggest a clicker trainer or someone who traines using another positive reinforcment method of training, your little whirlwind looks like he wants to work he just has that look in his eyes and the more time you put into him the better he will become good luck hope your legs heal soon

[Shells_k]

Welcome, your boy is adorable!!!

[anita]

Your dog resembles the one I was given in June by my daughter. The dog is a cocker mix but I don't know what kind. She is black with curly ears and has hair is a blend of black, changing to a tawny color. Her tail has a white tip on the end and her chest has a bit of white as well. She is very loveable but only two months old. She goes Thursday for her last shot, her rabies to be exact. Having trouble training her not to bite. I need some extra help.
Thanks,
Anita
ah.huie@gmail.com

[unseensha]

Thanks for the replies everyone "Dobetaztic" my legs have healed as well as they will and I am back at work and out walking "Bandit" .

His history I have no idea as he was rescued from a Dog Pound. The rangers called me and said they have a kelpie and am I still intersted.I have a close working relationship with them and when I had my previous Kelpie put down at 18 Years old I said if they get one call me if they cant rehome it.
He is now 2 and training is difficult but I think eventually we will get there. What are peoples opinions on food for reward training. I am of the mind that to use this way is like "bribing"and if the food stops so will his behaviour. My previous animal was well trained useing positive reinforcment but that was from 6 weeks old and no bad habits had been formed.

[Jr_K9_Expert]

Clicker training is a good option. However in case that doesn't work have you tried using a rattle? Its just making something that can startle your pooch enough so that he give you his attention. You can take a tin can and put a few pennies in there. Whenever your pooch barks you shake it when he doesn't expect it, and when he stops (because he's startled) you will have a few seconds of his attention to correct him and let him know that you don't like his barking.

If the barking continues just keep trying and everything he stops use the command that you will want to designate as the command for stop barking, you can use "Quiet" or "Hush" whatever suits you, the most effective commands are usually one syllable.

With time you should be able to issue the command and have the pooch stop barking.

An important aspect of this is that if your pooch stops barking reward the silence with food or a toys, or anything he likes. In the case of a toy, take it away if he continues his barking.

However the drawback is, that if the planes are too loud then the rattle isn't as effective and your "Quiet" training will have to take place elsewhere.

Thats just one of many suggestions you can try to help cure the problem.

[LadyGemStone]

:D hi im new to this site i just thought i would let you know even thought im just about turning 16 im a renowned trainer in cardiff, uk where i live and so i know a thing or two about disobediant dogs, also i have a bitch puppy that can be that way sometimes but the best remedy is constant training but at short sessions and with bribes like food and their favourite toys, also if the dog get bored with the training let the dog have a brake and then try again dont force the dog to do what he doesnt want to do as he wont do it in the future, also with the problem of walking away and doing as he pleases, trust me on this one, just turn around (face aaway from him) and ignore him go and do something else and shout bye and he will soon come running back to see what you are up to and if there is anything interesting going on, and when he does get back dont punish him for running off praise him for coming back otherwise he will see coming back as a bad experiance and will not do it in the future, and when he does come back have his fav toy or a treat witing for him to encourage him to come back when called, and you have a remedy for success.:)

[LadyGemStone]

sorry i forgot i wanted to show you my puppyC:\Users\User\Pictures\my dogs\me and my animals 006.jpg

[unseensha]

We try the walk away and the little bugga keeps on walking his own way further and further away from us. At one stage on the beach he was a kilometer (long straight of shoreline) away from us when I bit the bullet and told my son to get him( I cant run). This beast is very headstrong.We use a chain in a net bag and this stops him dead in his tracks and then he skulks the other way with tail between his legs ears down and body low to the floor. He is extremely timid when it comes to noise to the point that even the car keys sends him skulking away.Water is another issue and he hates it with a passion and will fight tooth and nail turning cartwheels on a lead to get away from it,yet if the garden sprinklers are on or its raining he is running in it. I am wondering if the previous owners used water as a training/punishment aid.
The Rangers and I think he was a dog on a Sheep truck and had fallen off as when I first washed him the dirt was very red/brown and he was captured in an area not far from the truck route into the Fremante port

[Keeper]

Your dog resembles the one I was given in June by my daughter. The dog is a cocker mix but I don't know what kind. She is black with curly ears and has hair is a blend of black, changing to a tawny color. Her tail has a white tip on the end and her chest has a bit of white as well. She is very loveable but only two months old. She goes Thursday for her last shot, her rabies to be exact. Having trouble training her not to bite. I need some extra help.
Thanks,
Anita
ah.huie@gmail.com

Your dog is getting her last shot - her rabies shot at 8 weeks? I think you must be mistaken. To my knowledge dogs do not get their rabies until they are 4 months. You probably were referring to the distemper, but even that calculation doesn't work. Those are given every 3 weeks, starting at 6 weeks, for 3 shots, then the rabies. I'm confused.

[Keeper]

Unseensha: Would it be possible for you to enroll your pup in a group puppy class? I would think that would be best because you get the basics, and also get socialization. Your local shelter probably offers classes, usually once a week for 6 weeks. I think it would be of great benefit for the whole family.

[unseensha]

We tried the first week we owned him (18months ago) but the person running the class asked us to leave as Bandit was being too disruptive. We where told to walk him round the park in huge cirlces to avoid the other dogs and every 5 laps or so to decrease the size of the cirlce.We did that for 3 weeks and if that was how we where to socialize him decided it wasnt for us. The dog club was from what I saw basically an obiedience show dog training club which is something I didnt want to get involved in. All I wanted was to have Bandit make friends with other animals with no pressure to perform ect.

I have been as I said taking him to various beaches and he has some interaction with other dogs.

The one he barks at the most are 2 maltese cross's that walk past our home at 6 am (they have leads on but the owner isnt attatched to them) and the dogs walk up our lawn and Woof off he goes. I think he is doing the right thing by barking at something that is on our property but sometimes he just wont stop at my command.

I guess like mentioned to someone else in another thread I am probably expecting too much from him and comparing him to my other dog who I was able to command off lead with hand signals ... she did everything I asked of her

[woofitz]

AWWWW How cute! Good luck in training him, and get well soon!

[Furbilator]

Sorry to hear about your accident. Do you want to keep him? You could pay someone to walk or play ball with him that would help. Those dogs need exercise to keep them centered. The more exercise they get typically the less behavioral problems you will have. If someone if the area did clicker training they could teach you so that everytime the dog does not bark at the aeroplane overhead you reward. The more times you can reward them for the behavior you want instead of nagging at behavior you don't want the better off you will be.:) Take care of yourself.

Consider asking a neighbour's kid to play and walk the dog for a little pocket money. Make sure you get a kid who loves dogs and can handle him.

I use a neighbour's kid when I need a puppysitter. She has been trained on how to walk Cassie and how to disipline her without hitting or yelling. I figure it is my way of teaching a kid how to train and handle dogs for when she has one of her own.

[Weesha1717]

First off "Thank You" for saving that little guy! He is adorable, his markings stunning. The most important thing to remember about shelter pets is that they will require timely training. Most are dropped off at the pound because the owners failed to train them (laziness), and can't put up with their behavior now. So that makes them, less adoptable, and more work. But, almost all of the time the problems they have can be fixed. And, you will have a loving, happy, loyal companion. And, after watching "Its me or the dog" on animal planet, ANYTHING is possible! Good Luck to you!!!:D

[Jr_K9_Expert]

:D hi im new to this site i just thought i would let you know even thought im just about turning 16 im a renowned trainer in cardiff, uk where i live and so i know a thing or two about disobediant dogs, also i have a bitch puppy that can be that way sometimes but the best remedy is constant training but at short sessions and with bribes like food and their favourite toys, also if the dog get bored with the training let the dog have a brake and then try again dont force the dog to do what he doesnt want to do as he wont do it in the future, also with the problem of walking away and doing as he pleases, trust me on this one, just turn around (face aaway from him) and ignore him go and do something else and shout bye and he will soon come running back to see what you are up to and if there is anything interesting going on, and when he does get back dont punish him for running off praise him for coming back otherwise he will see coming back as a bad experiance and will not do it in the future, and when he does come back have his fav toy or a treat witing for him to encourage him to come back when called, and you have a remedy for success.:)

I like the idea about giving the pooch a break when he starts to show signs of tunning you out. You really don't want to bore your dog because then training becomes a drag for the dog and its definitely less effecient.

However the turning around and ignoring the dog, I'll have to disagree with that. Especially in the case of barking. Ignoring the dog is best effective when the dog is doing something in order to get attention. Granted that barking is a means that dogs use to get attention but barking at the neighbor and planes isn't the same thing. In this case is just a matter of conditioning.

Unseensha, hope that you are able to pick out a technique that might be effective for your pooch, let us know what you are going to do and how things are progressing, if ya want;)

[unseensha]

Looks like we had a wins this weekend, Each morning I wake up before sunrise for work ect .This weekend I woke and had no work and waited and ther was the tell tale growl and then he did nothing . Fanstastic so I went congratulated him and went against my own thoughts and gave him a Dog choc and a pat.

Its small but it was something

[Jr_K9_Expert]

Looks like we had a wins this weekend, Each morning I wake up before sunrise for work ect .This weekend I woke and had no work and waited and ther was the tell tale growl and then he did nothing . Fanstastic so I went congratulated him and went against my own thoughts and gave him a Dog choc and a pat.

Its small but it was something

It definitely is something! I really do hope that the progress keeps up! Keep us updated.

[k9mania]

One of my borders gets that way and I put him on a 20 foot rope and work him in the yard. If he does not come when called then I stomp on the rope and control his behavior. If the dog comes to you even after he should have - don't yell because then you are teaching not to come back but certainly don't give the treat or toy because then you are rewarding for coming when he chooses. Mine decided to do this at a recent herding lesson. I had taken him off his rope because I had not had to use it for almost a month and he wore his foot pads off and got one infected running on the hot ground so even in the yard, he will either come when called or be taken in the house and denied the fun of being in the big training yard. Timeout and denial of something they want also works on dogs. Good luck Glad to hear you are doing better. I am going to have the same problem soon. I just found out I have a major rotator cuff tear and it is 4 weeks in a sling and 3 months no lifting with border collies.

[unseensha]

Best of Luck with the op K9.

The long Lunge lead is a great thing and makes controling him so much easier. He will come if he is tethered and comes straight to me and sits next to my left leg, The problem is mainly when he is untethered and decides he wants to do his own thing.

Was so funny tonight after work when I got home, Its been pouring down here and his tennnis bal was in a puddle in the back garden.He refused to go walk in the water and just circled it looking at me to go get it which I didnt as he wouldnt come to me he kept going the cirlce instead.

We dont let him inside as each time he has he has cocked his leg on the wall or lounge suite. He has a kennel undercover outside in the garage and he is guarding my Harley which he hates when I start it up. He does have a noise intollerance but in saying that most Red Clouds I am told are timid

[luvsdogs]

Positive reinforcement training is not bribing a dog. They have to work for their dinner, which can be used. Once they know what you want them to do, luring with the food, you lure with your hand signals only & reward from somewhere else. Gradually you can do the exercises with handsignals & praise only. Have a look at www.dogstardaily.com for lots of info, videos on everything you can think of pertaining to dogs.

[unseensha]

Thanks for the link some good reading there.

[Monsterpuppy]

Late to this, but I just wanted to say your dog is adorable. What a time to have an energetic young dog enter your life, when you have two broken legs! You're braver than I am. I'm sure he's a handfull, but both my monsters were shelter dogs, so most issues are workthroughable. Ooops, made up a word. Anyway, please persist - I hear kelpies can be wonderful dogs.

I understand your issue with the show/obedience training not providing the socialization you were looking for. With mine, they get a lot of their socialization through flyball and agility training. Maybe there are some clubs in your area that focus more on the dog sports (flyball, agility, frisbee or disc dog, dock jumping, scent hurdles, herding, search and rescue, etc) rather than show dog and obedience training? Even if the class itself doesn't have social time, maybe you could befriend your classmates and arrange doggie play dates?

My concern with dog parks is that (1) he would meet different dogs each time and so may not break the ice to play with them, and some of those dogs may have issues that aggrevate the problem and (2) at least in my area, dog parks usually mean a group of people standing around chatting ignoring their dogs, who run in circles and chase each other. This may not be a good setup if you are having recall and training issues. Dog parks can be great, it just depends on the culture of the people and dogs at the park. They can be really good for burning off energy.