Just....Wow

[Shells_k]

:confused:

I was googling for pics of beagles to compare Abby's size and look to other beagles her size.

I came across this web page.... It looks like they are breeding a lot of Puggles, they are also breeding Beagles & labs (huh???) & Beagles with Australian Shephards????!!!!!!!!! Also Beagles & Poms???!!!!!!!

http://www.firstlightfarms.net/AvailablePuppies.asp

[Lola_Joy]

:confused:

I was googling for pics of beagles to compare Abby's size and look to other beagles her size.

I came across this web page.... It looks like they are breeding a lot of Puggles, they are also breeding Beagles & labs (huh???) & Beagles with Australian Shephards????!!!!!!!!! Also Beagles & Poms???!!!!!!!

http://www.firstlightfarms.net/AvailablePuppies.asp

I saw the site...The dog's are all mutts, and are 400$, but you can get a purebred for less.:eek: :confused:

If you also do research you will see that theses designer dogs are not being bred from high quality parents. They are not having the proper genetic tests done on them. Many of these dogs end up unhealthy, over bred, and in pounds because they are touted as something that they are not.

[Shells_k]

I saw the site...The dog's are all mutts, and are 400$, but you can get a purebred for less.:eek: :confused:

If you also do research you will see that theses designer dogs are not being bred from high quality parents. They are not having the proper genetic tests done on them. Many of these dogs end up unhealthy, over bred, and in pounds because they are touted as something that they are not.

That would definitely be Sugar to a T. Labeled as a designer dog, my husband thought he was getting me a cool, cute dog as a suprise :mad:

She was definitely bred poorly, has enough problems to last her AND my lifetime. Thing that makes me mad is this all at the expense of the dogs!
:(

[Jr_K9_Expert]

Thats disgusting, an official site for selling expensive mutts....wow, Idk just feel like emailing them and saying to stop breeding mutts, there are plenty in shelters... people and money at the expense of other creatures.

I sure hope they don't breed puggles with puggles, thats just wrong...and labs mixed with beagles? Man I really want to email them!

[boxerheaven]

here here well said lola these dogs are mutts and some are being pts for having the wrong coats etc :mad:

[Shara]

Ya I dont understand this practice. Lets take whatever and make it into a cute name and sell it for lots! Poor things..whats next a mastiff mating with a chihahua to make a mashuahua???...........

[Jr_K9_Expert]

Ya I dont understand this practice. Lets take whatever and make it into a cute name and sell it for lots! Poor things..whats next a mastiff mating with a chihahua to make a mashuahua???...........

Very true. But the practice is not hard to understand, its all about money, nothing more nothing less, and its got one name and one name only: BYB

[zorasdad]

There is a site called the american hybred club. Most breeding is for money but some are producing working dogs. Thats how we got all the breeds we have. In Russia there is a multi cross that has dingo. The best bomb sniffing dogs there is. Does job always not just on command. I have a Rottie and a mutt newfie/ mastiff people think he good looking, but newfie/border collies are being hybred for working dogs, I think they are ugly. But I dont have a farm that needs a herding draft dog. Go figure what people will buy. A rotten weenie? rottweiler/dashund ? People did not fix their dogs and are avertising them as designer dogs "rotten weenies"

[Lola_Joy]

There is a site called the american hybred club. Most breeding is for money but some are producing working dogs. Thats how we got all the breeds we have. In Russia there is a multi cross that has dingo. The best bomb sniffing dogs there is. Does job always not just on command. I have a Rottie and a mutt newfie/ mastiff people think he good looking, but newfie/border collies are being hybred for working dogs, I think they are ugly. But I dont have a farm that needs a herding draft dog. Go figure what people will buy. A rotten weenie? rottweiler/dashund ? People did not fix their dogs and are avertising them as designer dogs "rotten weenies"

Found that website. And, then you go to find you you can register you mutt. UGh, it's a mutt. All mutts are different. So, people registering mutts, and even putting "Cockapoo Standards?" This is bogus. True bogus. MUTTS ARE A ONE OF A KIND, they are all different,even in the littlest way. It's just like pick one Cockapoo,and make it the breed standard. Ush.:rolleyes: :o

[Shara]

Well maybe things such as a cockerpoo or a chaweenie are going to be the next breed before long.

This is how breeds develope, and eventually get reconized as a breed. I know so many people with chaweenie dogs...its like YOu have to be kidding me you have one too?!?!

All breeds are mixed breeds. This is how dog breeds get started, then you put a "standard" on the dog to start breeding for that standard.

I dont belive in selling them like people are doing though...Its a fad that people are doing, to make money, not for the betterment of the breed.

[zorasdad]

I went to the akc site they have a section of dog breed waiting to be added to akc list such as rat terrier, blue tick coonhound. Foundation stock service another section for rare speciality breeds, concidered purebreed dogs. I looked up the history of the dogo argentino a large game hunting dog fighting dog of cordoba pointer boxer great dane bull terrier bull dog irish wolf hound great pyrenees spanish mastiff The breeding of this dog started in 1927. Im not a fan of givining mutts fancy names and getting big bucks but do find the why breeds come about interesting.

[Shara]

I am going to be getting a stock breed dog in 2 years, but they just became fully reconized by the akc this past January, so not really stock breed anymore...I think its neat to have a new breed...just so long as its not mal-practiced...like these ppl who are just breeding putting a fancy name and then selling like they were papered pure dogs....its not the same..

OK so I am THINKING about getting one...Im not sure...but anyways I wouldnt ever fall for one of these mixed breed dogs that are sold so high. Go to the pound you can find many "fashion dogs" for alot less and they NEED you...heh

[zorasdad]

Maybe we all need to go to the pounds in our area. We walk around with a marker and give the dogs designer names Rottenlabs, GoldenTerriers,Newhound, etc. They might sell the heck out of them.

[Shara]

Thats a good idea LOL....put on door "Pure breed Maltipoo"

Ya know, our pound here does a sucky job at trying to rescue dogs...If I worked there I would be putting signs up saying "this dog loves to play fetch...is 2 years old ect...his nickname here is Max"

I dont know, I couldnt work at a pound, I would lie and say the dog had only been there 1 day when he been there a week or more hehehe.........

[Shara]

A little time and effort would go a long way...ya know.. sigh

[zorasdad]

Thats the good thing about rescues the dogs are in foster care so the get a home life love training and help the new owners. Forstering is a big help in a homeless pups life. The more people get involved with the pound the better the results. More vol better care and training they get.

[Shara]

We dont have any no kill shelter/pounds here. I wonder how someone would start one up...if they are government funded or how that all works...I would like to go rescue a few from the pound here and find them homes. Have the vet fix them, so that would not be an issue with new owners "ugg I have to go get them fixed" ect....

But then I would want to keep em!

[zorasdad]

Still can help at the pound. Makes better chance for adoption. They have benifits, need transportation to relocate pups, walking and loving them. Look at pet finders.com there are rescues here i did not know about.

[Jr_K9_Expert]

Found that website. And, then you go to find you you can register you mutt. UGh, it's a mutt. All mutts are different. So, people registering mutts, and even putting "Cockapoo Standards?" This is bogus. True bogus. MUTTS ARE A ONE OF A KIND, they are all different,even in the littlest way. It's just like pick one Cockapoo,and make it the breed standard. Ush.:rolleyes: :o

Cheyenne that was well said! Kudos to you! I believe that there is also something called the Continental Kennel Club that does something really similar, but I’m not 100% sure.

Well maybe things such as a cockerpoo or a chaweenie are going to be the next breed before long.

Actually the Cockerpoo is already a very popular designer breed, but its called a Cockapoo, I’ve seen books on them at Petsmart, its really sad…

This is how breeds develope, and eventually get reconized as a breed. I know so many people with chaweenie dogs...its like YOu have to be kidding me you have one too?!?!

All breeds are mixed breeds. This is how dog breeds get started, then you put a "standard" on the dog to start breeding for that standard.

I dont belive in selling them like people are doing though...Its a fad that people are doing, to make money, not for the betterment of the breed.

Well everything starts somewhere. Those that say pure breeds are mixed breeds because of their ancestors, don’t really know the TRUE definition of a pure breed. While its true that some time before various breeds were used to create the breed that today is known as a pure breed, its doesn’t make it a “mutt”. A pure breed is something that is able to breed true since its standards were created. Meaning that the offspring will look identical to the parents.

To get genes stabilized enough to not have variations it would take many generations of breedings and fixing of certain qualities.

But everyone knows that if you breed two cookapoos you won’t get cookapoo puppies, you’ll get some cockers with little poodle and you’ll get some poodles with little cocker spaniel in it. All with different variations.

Heck if someone could get a Cockapoo to breed Cockapoo puppies and a standard could be able to be established, then it would be a pure breed without a doubt! But since no one can do that, its just a mutt, nothing more nothing less.

In a sense its really unfair to call a mutt such as a Cockapoo a purebreed, when it doesn’t even fit the definition, while many other past breeders spent a LIFETIME breeding true to what they thought would be the ideal pure breed dog. That’s my opinion anyway.lol.

[zorasdad]

Ok this is an interesting topic! lets see if we can find out what it would take for us to create our "pure" cockapoo. Maybe we could take 2 very strange breeds cross them and call it a k9 maniac?!lol How many times it would take to breed so called pure etc.

[Jr_K9_Expert]

How many times it would take to breed so called pure etc.

Its hard to decifer your tone of voice but...

the answer to your question is many many many is many many many breeding generations. Not only do you have to stabilize the genes (which takes long in itself), but you have to publisize (sp), AND you have to create the standard, then get the standard approved. Believe me, easier said then done, however these so called designer dog "breeders" are taking the easy way and cutting out the stabilization and standards.

[zorasdad]

Oh dont get me wrong I have a purebred rottie and a mutt. Im not into the idea of screwing w/standards with purebreds or giving a mutt a stupid name to make a buck. Im just wondering if any of these mixes will end up akc purebreads down the line. I believe that there are many more purebred dogs that should not be bred the there are breedable ones. I was trying to be funny with the k9maniac. I find that its amazing that the only gene pool man really could mess with is the dog. I also find the history of breeds fasinating.

[zorasdad]

Steven, I kind of think you might find the same things interesting as me. I read about 4-6 books on dogs every cpl weeks. There is alot of odd thinks published about gennitics etc. Believe me byb puppy mills and just bad breeders are the cause of much of the problems.

[Jr_K9_Expert]

I whole heartly agree with all that you've said, about expesive mutts, about bad breeders, everything. I was just trying to point on the "technical" difference between a pure bred and a mixed breed, which some people seem to confuse:confused:

As for the cockapoo being an AKC registered dog in the future? You never know, it may be that it could get registered, but I doubt the name will be cockapoo.;)

As for you thinking that there are more non-breedable dogs than breedable ones, what do you mean by that? Examples?

[zorasdad]

There are many goldens with hip problems there are rotties that have bad temperments. If you have good breeding stock COE good. I have a very good fem. rottie but not sure good enough to breed and the male I had was deffenitly of breeding stock. I would have not breed her with him. She is not the caliper he was.

[Lola_Joy]

Yes, and no to saying "All breeds started as a cross breed." Yes, they did. But, you have to relize that most breeds back then ,were bred for a purpose, such as herding,hunting. ect. Most dogs today have lost their purpose,(not all) and are gaining more status as a family pet.

All, dogs are mixed though...like you said, as they origanted from wolves,.........




Understand? If not, I gotta a lotta more. :D

[Jr_K9_Expert]

Yes, and no to saying "All breeds started as a cross breed." Yes, they did. But, you have to relize that most breeds back then ,were bred for a purpose, such as herding,hunting. ect. Most dogs today have lost their purpose,(not all) and are gaining more status as a family pet.

All, dogs are mixed though...like you said, as they origanted from wolves,.........


You are right to say that most dogs have lost their original purpose, and are right to say that they orginiate from wild canines (not all from wolves), but a pure bred by definition is NOT a mixed no matter the ancestry, and while a dog probably came from wolves or other wild canine, it is NOT a wolf and to think so only brings problems.

There are many goldens with hip problems there are rotties that have bad temperments. If you have good breeding stock COE good. I have a very good fem. rottie but not sure good enough to breed and the male I had was deffenitly of breeding stock. I would have not breed her with him. She is not the caliper he was.

I see, well ALL breeds have a disposition for something, you can go on and on with the list. But like you said its bad breeders that contribute to the problem. Many breeders specialize in breeding stock that doesn't have a specific illness (e.g. Hip Dysplasia with German Shepherds). The goal of a breeder is to make it so that the generation is always better than the generation that precedes it, anybody that breeds and doesn't have this in mind is nothing but a Back Yard Breeder, and thats my definition period. Course it differs from others. :rolleyes:

[2dogscrzy4ball]

That's pathetic, those people breeding dogs that look to be kept outside and not handled much. Notice they're not happy that they are getting their pictures taken! And their horses also look wierd, it may just be my computer but they looked very long bodied. I didn' see any "breed" on them.
The dogs aren't even cute mixed breeds. The pom/beagle mix?:confused: and the lab/beagle mix:confused: Hell, you can find those at the local pound/shelter!!

[Lola_Joy]

What I meant was, all dogs have the littlest bit of wolf hybred in them...Even the chihuahua.

[Weesha1717]

I love mixed breeds. But, not for hundreds of dollars. I think that petstore's out there are scaming un-educated people to no end. Like the post I put about Petland, selling the "new" mixed breed, and the manager said the "kinks" aren't quite worked out yet! The hematomas on both ears for $300 sold as is! UN-HEARD of!!! :mad: