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Old 02-19-2009, 06:18 AM   #1
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Aggressive Dogs and Aggressive Training

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If You're Aggressive, Your Dog Will Be Too, Says Veterinary Study

ScienceDaily (Feb. 18, 2009) — In a new, year-long University of Pennsylvania survey of dog owners who use confrontational or aversive methods to train aggressive pets, veterinary researchers have found that most of these animals will continue to be aggressive unless training techniques are modified.

The study, published in the current issue of Applied Animal Behavior Science, also showed that using non-aversive or neutral training methods such as additional exercise or rewards elicited very few aggressive responses.

“Nationwide, the No. 1 reason why dog owners take their pet to a veterinary behaviorist is to manage aggressive behavior,” Meghan E. Herron, lead author of the study, said. “Our study demonstrated that many confrontational training methods, whether staring down dogs, striking them or intimidating them with physical manipulation does little to correct improper behavior and can elicit aggressive responses.”
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:53 PM   #2
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Very true. This is why sometimes aired programs that show trainers dealing with aggressive dogs and using aversive training techniques can be less productive than most think. Those people that don't know as much about how to train dogs emulate the trainer and you end up with these kinds of problems.

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Of the 140 surveys completed, the most frequently listed recommendation sources were “self” and “trainers.” Several confrontational methods such as “hit or kick dog for undesirable behavior” (43 percent), “growl at dog” (41 percent), “physically force the release of an item from a dog's mouth” (39 percent), “alpha roll”physically -- rolling the dog onto its back and holding it (31 percent), “stare at or stare down” (30 percent), “dominance down” —- physically forcing the dog down onto its side (29 percent) and “grab dog by jowls and shake” (26 percent) elicited an aggressive response from at least 25 percent of the dogs on which they were attempted.
I was surprised by the techniques the people advocated in this survey. The 25% of dogs that reacted adversely just goes to show the importance of assessing the dog before deciding on a training method, many roll their eyes at the "every dog is different" statement, specifically because its a subject statement but it holds more truth than people think.

So what might be a good alternative non-aversive training technique that might be more successful? Counterconditioning?
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:26 PM   #3
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One trainer I went to with Nugget told me to do the "dominance down" and that only peeved Nugg off more! I only did that once! She also told me I have a well balanced cocker and I for sure don't! I haven't had any luck with any trainer and I don't have much luck on my own either. I have never been abusive or aggressive to my dog, minus a few yelling fits! He has been this way his whole life. He is a crank muffin.
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Old 02-19-2009, 04:45 PM   #4
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Elsa was SO subdued when first I got her, I had to correct with a stern but NOT loud voice. The first time I grabbed a broom to sweep, she ran into the next room. I have to instruct children not to play with sticks or similar toys when they're near her. We're lucky she isn't aggressive, because I believe that whoever had her for the first 6 months of her life was mean to her. It took her a while to get relaxed and know that she was never going to be hit or grabbed roughly or any other mean or scary thing. A couple times I've been angry with her and yelled at her and regretted it instantly. All she needs it to know that I'm not happy with a behavior with a stern NO and that's enough.

The puppy class that I took her to was all high pitch happy voice and tasty treats. All 16 dogs went from crazy pups to an off leash stay and nice leash work in 8 lessons. The trainer began her class with the warning that no one would EVER hit their dog in her class and drilled in how unproductive it is to do so. I grew up with all that old crap about dominating and punishing dogs and I'm glad I learned a better way as a grown up.
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Old 02-22-2009, 05:50 PM   #5
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I've been working really hard with Brigit on drop it and leave it, bc she likes to grab non-edible things and run under our couch and eat them. She's been doing really well. YEsterday she grabbed an incense stick and was chowing down on it, and I don't really know what's in an incense stick, so it scared me, so I dove after her and pulled her out from the chair, and she bit me really hard. It was the fear reaction on my part. I bet if I'd just bent down and asked her to drop it, she would've. Blonde moment. But she's my dog that the agressive training is definitely not for. My husband was big into watching the dog whisperer when we got Cerb, and he tried to alpha roll Brig one time, and she went beserk. I was very frustrated with her in her puppy stages, and it shows. Now that she's older and I'm working harder with her in a positive way, she's turning out to be quite the good little pup. I would never ever condone hitting or kicking a dog to teach it, but a lot of ppl still think that that's what works.
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:26 PM   #6
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If you don't know how to train a dog than obviously no training method will work!!!!!
If dogs could train humans it would be a perfect world!!!
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:30 PM   #7
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If you don't know how to train a dog than obviously no training method will work!!!!!
LOL plain and simple!

Btw where've you been? Missed your posts around here!
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:27 PM   #8
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Busy doing what I do. How you been??
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:55 PM   #9
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Busy doing what I do. How you been??
LOL, good answer Same here...too busy than I care/like to be. Was wondering when you were going to drop by again! Glad to see that you haven't forgot us here, hope you've been well
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