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Old 08-11-2009, 12:49 PM   #11
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I'd rather they breed to get a wolf lookalike than the wolf hybrid that ignorant people own and breed here in the USA. They never seem to learn that the animals don't domesticate well. There are soooo many horror stories about these poor hybrids. The can't be happy trying to be a dog.
I heard a program on public radio about new laws coming in Wisconsin to require permits and 9 foot high fencing for owners of wolf /dog crosses. This should discourage the dopes from breeding and keep these hybrids from escaping and contaminating the wild wolf bloodlines.
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Old 08-13-2009, 05:51 PM   #12
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I completely agree Elsasmom, I've seen a few pics of the Utonagan and they are really beautiful. But like Wolfwalker said...some look different, I've seen one that looks like a wolf/alaskan malamute and I've seen others that look like saarloos wolfhounds.

Thanks for the info wolfwalker, they seem to be more popular in the UK, I've never heard them mentioned here. I though for a sec they might be an FCI breed but I looked in the international breed book and they aren't there.

Hope the stabilize the look though, this breed however, is many many steps ahead of muts such as the labradoodle.
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Old 08-14-2009, 04:30 PM   #13
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Thanks for the info wolfwalker, they seem to be more popular in the UK, I've never heard them mentioned here. I though for a sec they might be an FCI breed but I looked in the international breed book and they aren't there.

Hope the stabilize the look though, this breed however, is many many steps ahead of muts such as the labradoodle.
I have my doubts that they will stabilise the breed Steven. It's a real mess of infighting as you mentioned in your first post.

At the start of the "project" there was just one type being bred from the lines you mentioned. This was the Northern Inuit Dog (personal note: Where did they come up with that name? The dogs used were not North American breeds, let alone anything an Inuit would recognise ). Anyway, a society was formed to further the development of the breed. As often happens, no one could agree on what they were aiming to produce. There was a split in the society and one section started to breed back using the original first crosses to get the look they wanted while the NID breeders only bred with other NID. The ones that had split away called their dogs Utonagan to differenciate. All was well for a few years. The NID breeders went their way and the Utonagan breeders went theirs.

The next thing was that the same friction crept into the Utonagan. They became another two societies "The Utonagan Society" and "The British and International Utonagan Society". Even this was short lived. The B&IUS soon dropped the name Utonagan completly in favour of calling their dogs Tamaskan.

So now you have a choice of three (though the Tamaskan seems to be struggling to establish itself). The infighting you probably saw, as mentioned in your OP, was probably between NID breeders (which produce a dog that looks very like Native American dogs) and the Utonagan breeders who claim that theirs look Wolflike (though I would disagree most strongly that they look like a Wolf, but hayho, there are people that think Huskies look like Wolves. Those are people that have never been close to a Wolf )
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:23 PM   #14
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Ive heard that they are trying to bring them in over here. Not sure if they will have much luck getting them recognised tho.
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:20 PM   #15
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Thanks again Wolfwalker! I'm glad to be learning a bit more about this. I agree with you though, huskies don't look like wolves IMO, just the markings and maybe the color but I can tell you when a dog is a husky cross and when its a wolf cross.
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